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Short list update


Good to see you friends.  Are you still alive?  Have you melted to death yet in this heat wave yet?  Oh, I see.  No, I have never seen that much sweat.  Actually, that doesn't sound healthy.  Your horse wouldn't go near you?  I don't blame him--I'd go see a doctor for that.

As many of you know, the US team released a partial short list in mid-may following Rolex and Jersey Fresh with the intent of potentially naming additional pairs after Bromont and Luhmuhlen.  The short list, of course, is a list of up to 18 pairs that determines the final group of riders from which the WEG team will be selected after the selection trials.   Here we are a few weeks after Luhmuhlen, and my understanding is that the final WEG US short list will be released sometime next week.  
USET vets have looked at several horses in the past couple of weeks, presumably to evaluate their candidacy to be added to the short list.  From this fact, and the fact that it has taken so long after Luhmuhlen to release the final short list, I am guessing that a few names will get added.  

The $64,000 question is who might get added to the short list?  Off the top of my head, Tipperary Liadhnan, Sweepea Dean, and The Good Witch are the only horses who have applied for the WEGs and completed a three-day after the May short list was released.  As for other WEG applicants at Luhmuhlen, Arthur jumped around with 20 time penalties after a great dressage test but he didn't jog on Sunday due to a hematoma, and Wonderful Will withdrew before XC at Luhmuhlen reportedly because of an abscess.  

It's no doubt a shameless plug for SHN, but Sweepea Dean, one of the WEG qualified and WEG applicant horse is for sale right now on Sport Horse Nation.  In fact Sweepea Dean was our first ever real classified post on SHN.

The other possibility is to retroactively add Rolex and Jersey horses.  The team vets only looked at 7 horses after Rolex and all of them were added to the original short list.  Vets looked at WEG applicant Rafferty's Rules after Jersey, among other horses.  

I have no idea who might be added to the list, so I have enlisted the psychic German octopus who correctly picked Spain's victory over Germany in the World Cup to give us his predictions.  Here are Paul the Octopus' ranking of top horses that applied for the WEGs but were not included in the May short list:

1) Tipperary Liadhnan: I know, I know, talk about show jumping all you want, tell me that there's no way "Paddy" has less than 12 penalties in the WEG show jumping.  The bottom line is that from what I'm hearing about this WEG track, we are going to need horses that we can send out on XC and be nearly 100% confident they will come home clear.  Paddy is one of 7 horses I feel that way about right now (Woodburn, TruLuck, The Foreman, Reggie, Bobby, Paddy, and Neville).  I'm not saying put the horse on the team, just put him on the list and see how his show jumping develops over the next couple of months.

2) Last Monarch: "Stewie" placed 17th at Rolex, just two spots below Pawlow, who was included on the May list.  Pawlow and Stewie both horses have the same questions about experience surrounding them.  Last Monarch scored a 58 in the dressage at Rolex, and that has to come down, but he has jumped well all year, and you have to love his enthusiasm and athleticism.  

3) Arthur: You can expect a great dressage performance, and the XC ability is certainly there on the right day.  Again, I think this is a solid horse to add and see how he looks at the final selection trials.  Hopefully Arthur had enough time to heal after Luhmuhlen for the vets to get a good look at him, but I'm not so sure about that.

4) The Good Witch: This horse was 18th at Luhmuhlen and had the second best show jumping round in Germany, but it is hard to forget that early fall at Rolex.  If they add 4 names, this would be my 4th addition.  

Honorable mentions: Titanium, Connaught, and Rock On Rose deserve consideration, but their riders probably have enough horses listed already.  Rafferty's Rules had a great run at Jersey, and Nevada Bay did win Bromont, but it's hard to send horses to their first 4* at the WEGs.  I'd guess that Nevada Bay gets some serious discussion though, even though he did not apply for the WEG list.

Paul the Octopus doesn't know how many names might be added to the list, but the May list had 11 pairs and just 7 riders.  The May list is the second largest list of the nations that have released lists so far (behind Germany's 13 pairs), but the USEF can give up to 18 pairs to the FEI as part of the official final short list.  

For reference, here is the May 14th short list:
Buck Davidson and BallyNoe Castle RM
Buck Davidson and My Boy Bobby
Phillip Dutton and The Foreman
Phillip Dutton and TruLuck
Phillip Dutton and Woodburn
Will Faudree and Pawlow
Becky Holder and Courageous Comet
Boyd Martin and Neville Bardos
Boyd Martin and Remington XXV
Karen O'Connor and Mandiba
Amy Tryon and Leyland

Go eventing.

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I would like to see Paddy added. At least have him there as an option and see how he is doing and what is sound and going well then as well.

I would love to see Last Monarch make the list. I really really like that horse.

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8th National ROLEX 4* CHAMPION HIGHEST PLACED USA OWNER/RIDER
14th international ROLEX 4*
7th The Fork 3*
2nd RedHills Advanced
14th Fairhill 3*
2nd Morven Advanced
8th Five Points Advanced
9th Jersey 3*
5th The Fork 3*
3rd The Fork 3*
7th Rocking Horse Advanced

Just wanted to point out Lainey Ashker's record with Anthony Patch for the past 2 years.

When will the US name team?

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Paul the Octopus. He's a clever fellow.

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You have to go with horses that have been around a four star XC and done a four star stadium with minimal bleeding afterward. You simply cannot send a three star horse to the world championship and HOPE they get thru, that is lunacy. You would only even consider such horses if ALL your four star horses were lame. And very lame.

>>Callie: agree
>>*******: Laine has a ton of fans, no doubt, but to my knowledge she didn't apply for the WEG team which takes her out of consideration in all but the most extreme circumstances.
>>tmb: sometime after the AECs (WEG selection trials)
>>Anonymous: agree, but pick another name
>>Retreadeventer: agree, although yet another reality of our sport that most people don't understand is that if you walk most 4* horses out of their stall and jog them, they will be at least a 1/5. By the time a horse gets to that level, it's almost certain they have some kind of issue developing, usually in the front end, and of course they require maintenance behind.

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How about Manfred or Georg? :-)

retreadeventer, i agree, it makes no sense to send a 3 * horse, and hope it's a 4* horse at the World's, we all agree even then you have no guarantee, but why would you send an uncertainty?

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They are ALL unsound to some degree, you just try to pick the unsoundness that a team vet feels comfortable with -- i.e., something that responds to legal treatment (icing, magnetic, etc.). You would try and stay away from horses with things, or developing things, that can't be legally treated. You want a horse that you are pretty sure you can get thru the first jog, and at least 50 percent sure you can get thru the 2nd, and that depends on getting around clean on XC. (A clean jumping horse is less likely to have something happen on course, knocking them out of the competition.) A coach is worried about dressage judging and that magical 50 point threshold, and again, worried about that stadium thing at the end of the competition. He's looking for steely nerves from riders selected as well as capable horseflesh. Buck, Phillip and Becky look at the top of this heap to me right now. The other three have to be chosen based on soundness and four star street cred. After those three, it gets dicey since WE don't know how sound the rest of the pack is. This is where you really wish you had a Jack Le Goff picking -- he was a wiz at correctly predicting peaking horses and riders, to the dismay of the rest of the world...

The selectors would be idiotic not to include kim and Paddy. Even if she does have 12 jumping faults in the show jumping she can get the team up there and in the hunt with her first two phases. She has ice in her veins and i bet she is doing everything humanly and horsley possible right now to correct Paddy's non-chalance over the colored poles.

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I think there are circumstances where it may make some sense from the selector's standpoint to send a 3* horse, but I've always thought it was a tough position to put the rider in. That is choosing between team aspirations and having a horse step up to that level at perhaps a not ideal time. Would Mandiba ultimately ended up a more consistent horse if he hadn't been sent to Beijing? That was a lot to put on a young horse with no 4* miles.

Kim 100% deserves to go to WEGs... but not this year or on this horse.

Jen I feel has been overlooked each year, which is really unfortunate. She is talented, quiet and gutsy. While her dressage isn't going to place her in the top 10, she can still hold her own being in the top 50% at least, which is saying more than some riders "higher" on the list. Plus, the great thing about eventing is that there are two other phases entirely, both of which she has down pact. While she has had bad luck in the last two Kentucky four stars, every other four star she has done very well in.

Tryon has been very quiet, entering events and then withdrawing again. The last time she and Leyland completed a XC was in late March 2010 and the last time she and Leyland placed above 5th place in any event was March of 2009. I'm just lost as to why she is such a surefire candidate with this mount.

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Once you get past the obvious selections, depending on who else is sound, I agree the The Good Witch deserves a shot, but to say that they have X-C down pat is misleading. They've fallen twice on the WEG course (one horse fall, one rider fall, if I'm not mistaken).
One the other hand, a look at their dressage results shows that they're not as bad as people like to imply.

With respect to Amy and Leyland, unless something is going on that we don't know about, I suspect that their uneven schedule has more to do with Amy's soundness than the horse's as she's not been riding all that much even on her other horses. If I'm not mistaken, Leyland just did an Intermediate with one of her students/grooms? as HC, so he's out and about even if Amy's not. They're scheduled for Rebecca Farm at the end of the month so we'll see. I think they'll be on the team if they're sound.

If WEG were anywhere other than Kentucky, I wouldn't put Becky and Comet on the team but they seem to step up in Kentucky.

Once again our commenters are demonstrating how Eventing Nation has the smartest readers in the horse world.

I didn't want to get into the Amy situation, because Amy tends to be pretty reserved and I want to respect that. But, Elaine is pretty much on top of the situation. Leyland has done a couple of prelims this summer with another rider-just did dressage at one and finished on a 33 at the second. I completely agree that if both Amy and Leyland are sound they will make the team, if only because you want Amy's incredible mental toughness.

It's an interesting argument with Comet between a very spotty 4* record, but the fact that, as Elaine points out, he tends to do well at Kentucky. Gun to my head right now: Woodburn, Ballynoe Castle, Neville, Leyland on the team, Mandiba, Comet as individuals, and Pawlow waiting for someone to drop because of soundness which will inevitably happen.

John, you are probably correct with your team selections, but I wouldn't rule out Last Monarch as the lady in waiting. The selectors were very impressed with his XC at Rolex.

Would love to see Stewie on that team. He was just awesome at Rolex and Holly can get the job done.

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Comet will be there. He is highly respected outside of the US as one of the world's GREATEST event horses right now. . .

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I agree Comet will be there but I think that it will be extremely important for Becky to keep herself together - both to get good results at WEG itself and to show that she is an international competitor.

Adore Comet though - we need to clone him.

John,
I agree with your "gun to the head" call, except I'd have Karen on the team and No Amy.
You can't have had the year she's having and be expected to step up and actually perform at the big show.
Pawlow deserves to go

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